I just had the honor to interview Dr. Jane Nelsen, author and speaker of Positive Discipline, A Teacher’s Guide from A-Z. She has appeared on Oprah and is the creator of the positive discipline series. You can read all about her positive discipline experiences and ideas on her website.
In today’s classrooms, teachers are hungry for solutions for building effective classroom management plans and relations with their students. Dr. Jane Nelsen maintains a blog on positive discipline and maintains that dealing with discipline is based on communication that is nurturing yet firm. You may be thinking to yourself: “no way, I can never be that teacher I’ve always dreamed of” but the truth is you can. Dr. Jane Nelsen shows you the steps you need to take. Visualize yourself using them and you will in fact, succeed.
Please find Dr. Jane Nelsen’s answers to the recent questions I’ve asked. thank you Dr. Jane Nelsen. There is no doubt in my mind that your answers will give new teachers the confidence they need to begin implementing the ideas in their own classes.
1. Please describe for me your teaching experience and more specifically, your experiences with classroom management.
I got my credentials as a teacher and then went on to get my counseling credential. I was an elementary school counselor for ten years and taught classroom management to teachers focusing on class meetings. I became the director of a federally funded project called ACCEPT (Adlerian Counseling Concepts for Encouraging Parents and teachers.) Ask part of this project we gathered statistics in two experimental schools and one control school. I worked with teachers and had six para-professionals who taught parenting classes. Since we had a paid evaluator to gather and interpret the statistics, I decided to use this for my doctoral dissertation. The statistics were great: .001 significance measuring positive behavior change for children in both homes and classrooms.
2. What are the greatest challenges you and/or other teachers you know face in the classroom?
Discipline. When I was doing my student teaching, the one thing that scared us was how to deal with discipline, but our classes focused on curriculum. I believe that discipline is the number one reason teachers leave teaching. The other challenge is that the only discipline methods most teachers learn are based on “behaviorism” (punishment and reward). Research at major universities had proven for years that punishment and rewards are not effect long-term (they may work short term, but teach “external locus of control”) but all that research is buried in academic journals. It is very difficult for teachers to make the paradigm shift that giving up punishment does not mean that permissiveness. Students respond to the Five Criteria for Positive Discipline:
1. Helps children feel a sense of connection? (Belonging and Significance)
2. Is kind and firm at the same time. (Respectful and encouraging)
3. Is effective long-term, (Punishment works short term, but has negative long-term results.)
4. Teaches valuable social and life skills for good character? (Respect, concern for others, problem-solving, cooperation)
5. Invites children to discover how capable they are? (Encourages the constructive use of personal power and autonomy)
3. Describe one positive outcome of your teaching using the methods of positive discipline as you write about in your book.
Children develop a sense of their own capability because they are taught to focus on solutions and to be respectful and helpful to each other. They are respectfully involved in practicing compliments (looking for a verbalizing positive things about each other), focusing on solutions to problems that are relevant to them (they put their concerns on the class meeting agenda), they learn “inner locus of control” instead of relying on “external locus of control”–someone to “catch” them being “bad” and mete out punishment, or to “catch” them being good to mete out rewards.
4. Why positive discipline? How is it different than the traditional concept of dealing with discipline problems as we know it?
Positive Discipline is never punitive or humiliating to children. On the other hand, it is not permissive. It is both kind and firm at the same time. Two themes are 2) focus on solutions, and 3) connection before correction.
5. What prompted you to write the book Positive Discipline?
I wanted to be a better parent, but didn’t know how. I would be too permissive until I couldn’t stand my children and then to punitive until I couldn’t stand myself. I didn’t know about being kind and firm and the same time. Then a took a college class where the professor said, “I’m not going to teach you a bunch of theories for working with children, but one theory that will help children learn self-discipline, responsibility, cooperation, and problem-solving skills. (This is the Adlerian/Dreikurs philosophy and methods.) Even though it was difficult for me to make the paradigm shift (I had a lot of “yes, buts,” and “what ifs?”) I found these methods so effective in with my children (I really enjoyed being a parent) that I wanted to share it with others. I started facilitating parenting classes. Then I go my teaching and counseling credentials and became the director of Project Accept (mentioned above) which was so effective that we obtained 3 more years of funding to disseminate throughout California. I developed a two-day workshop. The book I was using as a resource went out of print so I sat down and wrote Positive Discipline in two months. It has gone through 5 revisions and is still in print 27 years later. Years later I wrote several other Positive Discipline book with co-authors, including Positive Discipline in the Classroom with Lynn Lott, and Positive Discipline: A Teacher’s A-Z Guide with Kate Ortolano, Linda Escobar, Roslyn Duffy, and Debbie Owen-Sohocki.
6. How has this book been influential in helping new and seasoned teachers manage a class more effectively?
Many have said things such as, “I was ready to get out of teaching. Now I enjoy my job again.” “I was tired of being policeman, judge, jury, and executioner. Now I have time to enjoy teaching again.” There are now three Positive Discipline Demonstration schools and one that will soon be a demonstration school. I have visited all of these schools and was touched to tears. My thought was, “Every child should have an opportunity to be in schools like these–where children are treated with dignity and respect and treat each other the same.” These schools are listed at www.posdis.org. The school that will soon be a demonstration school is the Discovery School in Spokane, WA.
7. What do you think are the more challenging elements affecting teachers and their ability to effectively manage a class today?
Too much emphasis on testing and homework. I would like to write a book called, “Homework and Testing Hell.” Alfie Kohn has written a book called “The Homework Myth.”
8. How has Positive Discipline continued to make a difference in teachers and their classroom management decisions?
I don’t think the Positive Discipline books would stay in print for so long if they weren’t helping parents and teachers. Presently, 11schools in the Seattle School District are in their 3rd year of a three-year implementation of Posi
tive Discipline in the Classroom that includes excellent statistics. Our goal is to gain “best practices” status which will make the program eligible for funding.
9. What beginning advice can you give to a new teacher who is just starting out with the challenging task of effectively managing a class?
Start with class meetings on the very first day to teach students the skills to manage their own behavior and to help each other focus on solutions. If you go to www.youtube.com and search for Jane Nelsen, you will find a two-part video narrated by Bill Scott, a former principal on Rocky Mount School in Marietta, GA where teachers (and one parent) share what they think of Positive Discipline and students demonstrate the 8 building blocks for effective class meetings.
10. Is there a relationship between collaboration with other teachers and effectively dealing with discipline problems?
I think it is much better when a total school is implementing Positive Discipline, but many teachers have done it on their own.
11. If you could change one thing about teaching and education, what would it be?
Tee hee. They would all be Positive Discipline Demonstrations schools–and all children would experience the 5 Criteria for Positive Discipline.